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america." >> this is "bbc world news america." reporting from washington, i am laura. a show of force in ukraine. security forces try to disperse protestors and storm the offices of the main opposition party. thailand's prime minister dissolves the low house of parliament in the face of ma protests there and calls for early elections. the demonstrators say it is not enough. and as south africa prepares for a huge memorial for nelson mandela, we speak exclusively to his eldest daughter about his final days. >> in the last moment, we were sitting with him on thursday, the whole day.
>> welcome to our viewers on public television in america, and also around the globe. after weeks of unrest, today the authorities in ukraine are setting up their crackdown on protestors, just a day after a statue of former soviet leader, lenin was toppled in kiev, security forces have broken into the offices of the leading opposition party than and police are dismantling camps. u.s. vice president joe biden said violence has no part in a democratic society. i spoke to steven rosenberg. >> are the ukrainian authorities using different tactics? >> certainly today we saw far more police in the center of kiev than we did yesterday, particularly in the government district a short distance from
independence square here. what they were doing was trying to push gradually the protestors away from key government buildings. now on the square here, independence square, we haven't seen any police today. but the authorities have made it clear they would like protestors to leave this square. >> is there any sign at all of an end to this stand-off between the government and the protestors? >> no sign at the moment. these protestors say they are determined to remain here in the center of kiev. opposition leaders have shown they are capable of bringing on to the streets of kiev huge crowds, hundreds of thousands. they came here and gathered on the square on sunday. and yet they have been unable to force concessions from the government. on the other hand, the authorities have been unable so far to restore control in kiev. yesterday we saw dramatic pictures of the statue of
vladimir lenin being toppled. there were no police around at that moment. what we are seeing now is the uconn iranian police and authorities trying to regain some sense of control here in coffee. >> steve, thanks for joining us. for more on the political situation in ukraine, i spoke to the former u.s. ambassador there now at the brookings institution. what options does the president have now for defusing this crisis? >> i think his options are becoming limited. if you see tonight greater force to limit the demonstrations, that could further limit his options. >> when you saw the 300,000 people on the streets, you saw public against use of force. this could be a fairly ugly scene. >> do you think it is in
ukraine's economic interests to e closer than russian to the urine -- the european union. >> it is going to give you access to a $17 trillion a year market. ukraine sees that. what do the russians ralph have on offer? >> do they have money on offer. the ukraine has very perilous finances at the moment. is this what it is about, a bailout? >> they visited with president putin. there hasn't been a lot of information about that meeting. what the president has done is will pause in terms of doing
an association agreement with europe. the big money comes into play if he is willing it make that kind of reversal, and that is going to be very unpopular with the people on the street. >> what do you think happened in that meeting? >> there was a lot of discussion about the options. i am sure president putin laid out some threats if they went to the west, and laid out some enticements. >> the president is in a difficult position. if he tries to respond to the enticements to go back to russia, which i don't think he wants to do. don't think he wants to compromise ukraine's autonomy. the street is against it, and a large part of the business community is going to be very unhappy. >> what role does the u.s. have in all this? >> the message from the vice president was that the united states is watching very carefully, that it is imperative that the ukrainian
government not use force, and to find a way out. the united states has taken a bit of a backseat here, letting the european union have the lead, which makes sense. one, it is the european union is the player in the association agreement. the european union has huge attraction in the ukraine, and perhaps more influence than the united states. also not having the united states at the front of the game removes what would be an unhelpful american-russian competitive dynamic. >> ambassador, thank you for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> anti-government protests are tipping in thailand even after the prime minister dissolved parliament in the face of massive demonstrations. they scheduled a second election for february, but that didn't satisfy demonstrators who say they can win elections because of scruppings.
jonathan has a bird's eye view. >> shut down again by massive protests. >> they want the parliamentary majority to go. but the sudden offer of an alex has softened the mood. the show of strength more like a giant spring party. >> the leaders called for impressive turn out, and from up here, you can see they have achieved that goal. the streets around the capital are field with people. it has certainly made an impression on the government. what you don't see are the government's own supporters. for all these numbers, they have to ask whether they still have enough people to beat the government in an election. >> the fact is that in rural areas, the government is still very popular. there is some confusion among these protestors. was an election a big enough
concession? >> if it was me, accept it. >> even if this government wins another election, which they might do? >> from me, yes. but i am not sure about other people. >> even the main opposition party seemed unclear. its leader has been demanding an election in days. it was suddenly unsure whether e would even contest it. >> so an announcement that should have cleared the air has cleared up nothing. an election will be held in less than two months. how it will go, whether it's results will be respected, it anyone's guess. onathan head, "bbc news," bang cock -- bang cock. >> tension in thailand. the u.s. ordered americans to
transport peacekeeping troops from burundia. it is to stop the violence which has claimed hundreds of lives. a musolini group overthrew the country's president in march. since then, civilians have been under attack, and christian fighters have retaliated. our corporate has spent the last few days there, where there have been running battles. here is a special report. >> an anxious morning in burundia. they are bracing for an attack, a home for nearly 40,000 christians. they have fled from the violence. it is bad news from the capital. er istian militiamen and form
soldiers have launched an attack. but their attempts to dislodge the interim president has failed. african peacekeepers trying to contain a fight on two fronts. one of their own is injured. everybody is terrified by the brutality, but most people were able to run for safety, like these families hunkered down at the military base. others in the muslim quarter were not spared. these men went to every house that was attacked. nobody ventures here anymore. the imam's house has always been a place of safety for the people of burundia. so it was to that house they fled when the fighting broken out. but the imam had already been taken to a safe place. so when the former soldiers backing the christian mems attacked the house, everybody fled. there was panic in the street. >> defines and mistrust has
drawn a religious line across this town. >> this is the sound of hope. the french are near, and they are making it known as the jets carry out the low-level flight path. their second military campaign on the african continent this year, french troops were given militias. to disarm among them, a loose alliance of rebels that toppled the previous administration in march. they say they are the new national army, but they are accused of being an army of fear. >> yes, i think our forces have committed crimes. i can't deny it. but i can't say what happened because i didn't take part in what has been done. >> c.p.is and muslims have lived -- kristenians and
muslims have lived -- christians and muslims have lived side by side until now. "bbc news," in the central african heb lick. >> now google, microsoft, apple and facebook, they are usually fierce competitors, but today they are a few of the big-name technology companies coming together, demanding strict new curbs on government surveillance. the national security agency checked far more user data than the companies realize. i am joined by a national technology reporter for the washington post. are the tech companies here motivated by principle or profit? >> i am guessing both. nobody likes having their stuff stolen, and that is what has happened here. it is bad business for users to
think their information is going to be stolen if they give it to google or yahoo. they knew they were giving information to the u.s. government under court order. but the extent has taken this them by shock. data was selected from fiber on particular cables over southeast. >> what about the chance of a new law being passed? >> hard to know where this is going. the u.s. congress is not known for its efficiency. this has gotten the world's attention. i think the shape is early to tell, but i wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of act. >> doesn't the government have a case when it cease it needs all this information to protect national security. >> sure.
if my job was to prevent titleist attacks, i want everything all over the world. the question is do we as citizens want information collected on us all the time or only in certain investigations. that is the rub. >> how do you draw the line? >> that is tough. they have a massive bulk take. >> how do you define the procedures behind the boston bombings. >> they didn't find them until after they started bombing. there are questions about how effective they are. perfect privacy might mean no security. >> whatever happens, the companies are going to carry on mining our data and sending it to companies? isn't the government after the same stuff? >> google can't put you in
jail. that is a different thing. it is sure if google and facebook collected less data on you, there is less for the u.s. to take as well. many would like to see a data law that would limit the information and how long it could be kept. once these things become matters of public concern, the political process takes over. >> thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> you, watching "bbc world news america." still to come, capturing the spirit of nelson mandela on canvass. artist can dyer nelson talks to us about his famous subject and a life well lived. a og up -- following up on story we show you. the second most powerful man in the country, forcibly removed from a meeting. from seoul, we have more on
this fall from grace. >> money, sex and power are the stuff of headlines in north korea just like anywhere else. or as the state media punt it today, corruption, disloyalty and capitalist living. the country's second most powerful man, stripped of all of his positions and publicly called from a meeting. the biggest arrest in north korea since his nephew assumed power. he was kim jeong un guardian and mentor. to many he was the power behind the throne. perhaps too powerful, or maybe too popular. few of the elder statesmen who walked beside the coffin have survived two years of his young son's rule. and the speed and scope of this latest purge is especially startling. he has already been edited out of official videos like this
documentary shown on state tv. whether this purge signals personal or political differences, the worry here in south korea is that pyongyang could distract attention with military action. the defense ministry has already warned its troops to be on high alert with pyongyang's old guard fading, the game of predicting the regime is getting harder. step by step kim jeong un has demonstrated his hold on power, but also his fear of rivals. if the uncle was truly a threat, could his removal be a bigger one? >> tomorrow an incredible array of world leaders, including president obama and three former u.s. presidents will be among those gathering in johannesburg at a memorial
service honoring mandela emma. his death on thursday at 95 has arked an outpouring of things. his daughter, milwaukee decide talks about it. here is our errors. >> the stage is not quite set, but world leaders or on their way, and tomorrow they will join crowds here at the world cup stadium to say goodbye to nelson mandela. today, his daughter described mandela's last days and moments in her first broadcast interview since his death. > every day for the past months, i would say come coming to see you tomorrow. and then maybe he would open his eyes for just a second, and close those eyes.
so for me, i think that until the last moments, he had us. >> many of the family were at his bedside last week when the doctors warned them he was slipping away. >> when they told us there was , and they y could do said you may want to call everybody who was here to see him and say bye-bye. it was the most wonderful day for us. >> that seemed to have gained tracks across the country. people flocking today in mandela's old house outside johannesburg. it was at the near but stadium in 1990 that he addressed a turbulent nation immediately after emerging from 27 years in prison. now the stadium has been rebuilt, and so, up to a point, has south africa.
a few miles away, the freedom mandela helped bring has proved a disappointment to some. this remained a profoundly unequal society. >> yes, we do have our freedom. we have our rights. but they are abusing our rights. >> you are stuck in poverty. >> we are stuck in poverty, and i don't think poverty is going anywhere. it is not going anywhere any time soon. >> but few hold that against mandela himself. they will be toasting him here tomorrow even if this miraculous nation is still a work in progress. tonight barack obama is en route to south africa. david cameron, tony blair and many others will always be arriving in the morning. the forecast for tomorrow is rain, but that seems unlikely to spoil the mood of what promises to be one of the grandest and most heart-felt
send-offs of the modern era. andrew harding, "bbc news," johannesburg. >> as world leaders arrive for that memorial, his daughter recalls his final moments. this week newspapers and magazine around the globe are celebrating the memory of nelson mandela with images. for the new yorker, it is this portrait by the artist, kadir nelson. he has illustrated children's books, and he spoke to us about the message he hopes his painting will convey. >> i wanted to show that fire that he had as a young man. it is a very graphic image. it has a lot of red and yellow in it in homage to the fire he had to fight the fight for freedom. my name is kadir nelson, i am an artist, illustrator and author. i created the artwork for the
new yorker coffer, and i wrote -- cover, and i wrote and illustrated a book called nelson mandela. the challenge of writing a children's book about nelson mandela to zillion thsh to distill this huge story into a story that was palatable to young readers. i wanted to have him smiling a little bit, but his eyes are relaxed and that he is at peace. that was an invitation to readers to open the book. i started with my recollection of seeing nelson mandela speak, and then i began doing quite a bit of research, looking at photographs of him from his earliest times to present day. this is an image of nelson and his comrades after they were imprisoned.
they are dancing, which is kind of a tribute to their roots, to their ancestral root. they are calling upon the ancestors to join them in their struggle for freedom. here he is sitting behind bars at the beginning of what would e a very long sentences -- sentence. he was a brilliant shining example of a hero. i think it is something that everyone responds to, someone who is in a situation and is overto overcome it, transcend it or stand on top of it. this is an image of nelson mandela shortly after he was elected. his hand it raised against the government, but now it is the other side of it. he has a bright smile, and he is proud that he fought this fight. i feel like he was on the other side of it, the winning side of
this fight. he actually got to see the other side of the mountain as dr. martin luther king would say. so i choose in that way to celebrate his life. i think it is because it was a life well lived. -- kadir kadi risen nelson talking about mandela. you can watch "bbc news" for constant updates. check your local listings for our channel number. tomorrow we will have full coverage of the massive memorial being held for nelson mandela at the soccer stadium soeto. from all of us here, thanks for watching. please tune in tomorrow.
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